• pros and cons

    From Bf2k+@bf2k+@TACOPRON.remove-z6v-this to Accession on Sunday, December 21, 2025 06:51:58
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    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to nelgin on Sat Dec 20 2025 05:37 pm

    He does have some of the best patience I've seen in this hobby, though!

    Agree 100%

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-v14-this to Morningstarr on Sunday, December 21, 2025 08:46:16
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    To: Morningstarr
    Hey Morningstarr!

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 18:01:38 -0800, you wrote:

    You can setup a default board, draw some mediocre and I and install a
    few door games. However, to make it your own board and deck it out, you
    have to program. So no offense but I disagree a little on that. I also refuse to use anything Microsoft touches anymore. The last straw was
    their latest price hike on their console and game pass.

    Most BBS softwares don't use scripting or have a programming language that work with them at all. Sure, a couple of the softwares brought up in this conversation actually do, but most don't. So I'm not sure where this comment comes from. You don't /need/ to program anything at all. Old school menu editing, Modifying prompts, changing all the screens, putting content on there that isn't the same as everyone else's, etc. doesn't involve programming.

    Sorry I didn’t quote. I’m using muffinterm and I can’t use an
    editor with it because control keys do not exist on iPad.

    With SlyEdit, for example, you don't need control keys. On an empty line, "/Q" can be used to quote, "/S" can be used to save, as well as other options. This may even be an option in some other external editors, and maybe even Synchronet's line editor (but I haven't used them recently, so that's why I brought up SlyEdit specifically).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-v14-this to nelgin on Sunday, December 21, 2025 08:38:30
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    To: nelgin
    Hey nelgin!

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 19:10:52 -0600, you wrote:

    If a wiki article sucks, there are much better ways to prove your case. Usually the best result is to figure why it sucks and fix it. That's the whole purpose of a wiki. I cannot be written for every single edge case
    out there and the only way to improve is by users adding to it.

    /If/ a wiki article sucks. However, it doesn't. The dude just had an old version of Synchronet installed that didn't yet support the feature he was looking for, which was his main issue for everything he tried on said wiki not working. That's why the wiki sucked in his eyes.

    He sure does. He's a "pull up a chair and let's have a cup of tea and
    talk abour your issues" kinda guy. I'm more of the "I'll smote the
    fucker and all problems are resolved" type :)

    I'm just entirely too sarcastic, usually. That doesn't tend to work when trying to assist someone in solving a problem.

    It's nice to know he's not a robot, though. I haven't seen him give up on many conversations, but the couple I have witnessed over the years keeps me grounded in knowing he's still normal and has his breaking points, too. :D

    There are characters that would test the patience of a nun that's for
    sure.

    HAH. Usually we know who they are. Every once in awhile we get surprised with a new case, and it's entertaining for a little bit, at least.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-v14-this to Morningstarr on Sunday, December 21, 2025 08:54:58
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    To: Morningstarr
    Hey Morningstarr!

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 18:05:18 -0800, you wrote:

    His wiki obviously doesn’t suck. Look at all the great boards created
    from his wiki. It’s probably just me dude.

    I wasn't referring to you, unless you were the one that said the wiki sucks. ;)

    If you bring up something you don't understand from the wiki, someone will try to explain it better, or give screenshots of their configurations, etc. If the wiki needs editing, it is done fairly quickly if it actually needs it.

    People that come here expecting others to do the work for them, though, that's a different story.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-9sg-this to Morningstarr on Sunday, December 21, 2025 16:20:50
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    To: Morningstarr
    Re: Re: pros and cons
    By: Morningstarr to MRO on Sat Dec 20 2025 07:30 pm

    Re: Re: pros and cons
    By: Morningstarr to nelgin on Sat Dec 20 2025 06:15 pm

    the internet did not kill bbsing. sysops killed bbsing. they never
    worked together and they did not adapt soon enough. at best, sysops
    got together and build their little fishbowl communities. that never works. they try to beat the internet and that never works.

    Well that's a valid point. I could see how sysops ruined bbsing.
    Most of the ones I came across, aside from a few, are extremely
    rude know it alls.

    nope, that's not how bbsing took a backseat to the internet.
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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-pvo-this to Accession on Sunday, December 21, 2025 15:12:22
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    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to nelgin on Sun Dec 21 2025 08:38 am

    /If/ a wiki article sucks. However, it doesn't. The dude just had an old version of Synchronet installed that didn't yet support the feature he was looking for, which was his main issue for everything he tried on said wiki not working. That's why the wiki sucked in his eyes.

    In their defense, they had the current release of Synchronet (v3.20 from earlier this year) installed. And just *one* of the behaviors they seemed to be asking about (skipping normal logon events/files for rlogin connections) required a newer logon.js file. They could have just downloaded/updated that one file (as I've pointed out).
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  • From Morningstarr@morningstarr@vert.synchro.net.remove-9l2-this to Accession on Sunday, December 21, 2025 15:48:02
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    To: Accession
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to Morningstarr on Sun Dec 21 2025 08:46 am

    Hey Morningstarr!

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 18:01:38 -0800, you wrote:

    You can setup a default board, draw some mediocre and I and install a
    few door games. However, to make it your own board and deck it out, you have to program. So no offense but I disagree a little on that. I also refuse to use anything Microsoft touches anymore. The last straw was their latest price hike on their console and game pass.

    Most BBS softwares don't use scripting or have a programming language that w > with them at all. Sure, a couple of the softwares brought up in this
    conversation actually do, but most don't. So I'm not sure where this comment > comes from. You don't /need/ to program anything at all. Old school menu
    editing, Modifying prompts, changing all the screens, putting content on the > that isn't the same as everyone else's, etc. doesn't involve programming.

    Sorry I didn't quote. I'm using muffinterm and I can't use an
    editor with it because control keys do not exist on iPad.

    With SlyEdit, for example, you don't need control keys. On an empty line, "/ > can be used to quote, "/S" can be used to save, as well as other options. Th > may even be an option in some other external editors, and maybe even
    Synchronet's line editor (but I haven't used them recently, so that's why I brought up SlyEdit specifically).

    Regards,
    Nick

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    so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!
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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-791-this to Morningstarr on Sunday, December 21, 2025 20:48:46
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    To: Morningstarr
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Morningstarr to Accession on Sun Dec 21 2025 03:48 pm

    With SlyEdit, for example, you don't need control keys. On an empty
    line, "/ > can be used to quote, "/S" can be used to save, as well
    as other options. Th > may even be an option in some other external editors, and maybe even Synchronet's line editor (but I haven't
    used them recently, so that's why I brought up SlyEdit
    specifically).

    so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!

    You are not required to understand/learn/write javascript to run synchronet
    bbs software. Synchronet isn't something that requires you to put together all the pieces like a kit.
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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-54o-this to Morningstarr on Monday, December 22, 2025 10:40:41
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    To: Morningstarr
    Morningstarr wrote to Accession <=-

    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to Morningstarr on Sun Dec 21 2025 08:46 am

    You can setup a default board, draw some mediocre and I and install a
    few door games. However, to make it your own board and deck it out, you have to program.

    Most BBS softwares don't use scripting or have a programming language that w with them at all. Sure, a couple of the softwares brought up in this conversation actually do, but most don't. So I'm not sure where this comment comes from. You don't /need/ to program anything at all. Old school menu editing, Modifying prompts, changing all the screens, putting content on the that isn't the same as everyone else's, etc. doesn't involve programming.

    so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!

    You do not need to write a single line of JS to customize your
    Synchronet BBS. Read that a few more times until you understand it.

    You *CAN* write custom JS to do certain things, or modify existing JS
    (which doesn't usually require much JS knowledge), but you don't *have*
    to. That's the point.

    Now, since you don't intend to run a BBS anyway, why don't you stop your trolling and ..... go away.




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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-j-this to Morningstarr on Monday, December 22, 2025 16:33:32
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    To: Morningstarr
    Hey Morningstarr!

    On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 15:48:02 -0800, you wrote:

    so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!

    Sure it is. However, That's not what I said. I gave just about every other option possible in regards to modifying a BBS /without/ having to write javascript and/or program.

    You don't *need* to write (or even know how to write) javascript in order to modify a Synchronet BBS. That was my point, that apparantly you didn't get out of my message. ;(

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-qoy-this to Accession on Tuesday, December 23, 2025 07:54:44
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    To: Accession
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to Morningstarr on Mon Dec 22 2025 04:33 pm

    Hey Morningstarr!

    On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 15:48:02 -0800, you wrote:

    so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!

    Sure it is. However, That's not what I said. I gave just about every

    i dunno. i think it depends on the extent. i would call some of it
    scripting. Like i use perl for simple things. I dont feel i'm programming. the same with .js.

    You don't *need* to write (or even know how to write) javascript
    in order to modify a Synchronet BBS. That was my point, that
    apparantly you didn't get out of my message. ;(

    well he doesn't even have a computer, right?
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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-2lf-this to MRO on Tuesday, December 23, 2025 13:49:30
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    To: MRO
    Re: pros and cons
    By: MRO to Accession on Tue Dec 23 2025 07:54 am

    i dunno. i think it depends on the extent. i would call some of it scripting. Like i use perl for simple things. I dont feel i'm programming. the same with .js.

    Is scripting not programming?

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-mx4-this to MRO on Tuesday, December 23, 2025 18:42:16
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    To: MRO
    Hey MRO!

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 07:54:44 -0600, you wrote:

    i dunno. i think it depends on the extent. i would call some of it scripting. Like i use perl for simple things. I dont feel i'm
    programming. the same with .js.

    I would still throw that in the programming category, but my point was that you don't /need/ to use javascript, or perl, or any programming language for that matter, to modify a BBS. Some of the most modded systems I've seen over the years were OBV/2 and Renegade - which have no scripting, programming, or anything like that. It was all simple menu editing and TheDraw ansimations.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-144-this to Accession on Tuesday, December 23, 2025 18:14:19
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    To: Accession
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to MRO on Tue Dec 23 2025 06:42 pm

    I would still throw that in the programming category, but my point was that you don't /need/ to use javascript, or perl, or any programming language for that matter, to modify a BBS. Some of the most modded systems I've seen over the years were OBV/2 and Renegade - which have no scripting, programming, or anything like that. It was all simple menu editing and TheDraw ansimations.

    With Synchronet, I think the thing that was a little surprising to me when I first started using it is that in order to customize your menus (such as the commands & actions), you do need to modify the command shell, which involves some programming (either with Baja or JavaScript). Other BBS packages have a menu editor you can run where you can specify the commands & actions for each menu without doing programming.

    One question I often see come up from new Synchronet sysops is how to modify one of their menus, and the answer is invariably to change the command shell.

    There is a menu editor/command shell generator for Synchronet now though (which was written by echicken)..

    Nightfox

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  • From Codefenix@codefenix@CONCHAOS.remove-cnm-this to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 08:44:49
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    Re: pros and cons
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 23 2025 01:49 pm

    Is scripting not programming?

    Someone once a long time ago explained to me that scripting was not considered "true programming" since there was little to no consideration for lower-level concepts like memory management and garbage collection and stuff like that. I disagreed with this person, but I understood where they were coming from.

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  • From Denn@denn@OUTWEST.remove-pmf-this to Codefenix on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 09:20:09
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    Re: pros and cons
    By: Codefenix to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 08:44 am

    Is scripting not programming?

    Someone once a long time ago explained to me that scripting was not considered "true programming" since there was little to no consideration for lower-level concepts like memory management and garbage collection and stuff like that. I disagreed with this person, but I understood where they were coming from.

    Programming tipically is maniplation of the CPU, where scripting is more manitplation of a specific program.


    Traditional Distinctions

    Programming (CPU/System Focus): Historically, "programming" refers to creating standalone software from scratch using compiled languages like C++ or Rust. These programs are translated into machine code that the CPU executes directly to perform complex, resource-intensive tasks like building operating systems or game engines.
    Scripting (Program/Automation Focus): "Scripting" traditionally involves writing instructions to control or automate an existing program or environment. Scripts are typically interpreted line-by-line at runtime by another program (a "host" or interpreter) rather than the CPU directly.

    I would say both are considered programming.

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  • From Lonewolf@lonewolf@BINARYDR.remove-5dn-this to Denn on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 11:27:29
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    Re: pros and cons
    By: Denn to Codefenix on Wed Dec 24 2025 09:20 am

    Is scripting not programming?
    Traditional Distinctions

    Programming (CPU/System Focus): Historically, "programming" refers to creating standalone software from scratch using compiled languages like C++ or Rust. These programs are translated into machine code that the CPU executes directly to perform complex, resource-intensive tasks like building operating systems or game engines.
    Scripting (Program/Automation Focus): "Scripting" traditionally involves writing instructions to control or automate an existing program or environment. Scripts are typically interpreted line-by-line at runtime by another program (a "host" or interpreter) rather than the CPU directly.

    I would say both are considered programming.

    I agree, both achieve the same result, get the machine to do what you want it to. The only difference really is the speed of execution and whether or not you need to worry about memory management. Today, the syntax between many different languages is so similiar, I can quickly convert code between C/C#/JavaScript with much thought.
    need to worry about memory management. Today's language syntax so similiar, you can easily convert code between C/C#/JavaScript without much effort.

    Lonewolf

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-1ko-this to Denn on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 10:25:11
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    To: Denn
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Denn to Codefenix on Wed Dec 24 2025 09:20 am

    Traditional Distinctions

    Programming (CPU/System Focus): Historically, "programming" refers to creating standalone software from scratch using compiled languages like C++ or Rust. These programs are translated into machine code that the CPU executes directly to perform complex, resource-intensive tasks like building operating systems or game engines.

    Scripting (Program/Automation Focus): "Scripting" traditionally involves writing instructions to control or automate an existing program or environment. Scripts are typically interpreted line-by-line at runtime by another program (a "host" or interpreter) rather than the CPU directly.

    I would say both are considered programming.

    Yeah, I feel like both can be considered programming. There have been entire programs written in Python, for instances, which has traditionally been thought of as a scripting language. The lines are definitely blurred. But when it comes to things like writing Windows batch files or *NIX shell scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm usually trying to automate something and it isn't compiled.

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-c64-this to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 19:36:25
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    To: Nightfox
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Wed, Dec 24 2025 12:25:11 -0600, you wrote:

    Yeah, I feel like both can be considered programming. There have
    been entire programs written in Python, for instances, which has traditionally been thought of as a scripting language. The lines
    are definitely blurred. But when it comes to things like writing
    Windows batch files or *NIX shell scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm usually trying to automate
    something and it isn't compiled.

    Hmm. I just want to make things as clear as possible here.

    I'm NOT a programmer by any means.

    I can bash script better than a lot of people can program. I'M NOT A PROGRAMMER, and I respect the hell out of the people that can.

    Keep in mind bash scripting has more to do with changing directories, performing a command, and maybe even doing something else after the fact
    (NOT PROGRAMMING).

    There is a HUGE difference. You programmers can argue all you want. But,
    look at it at this angle: I'm a legit construction (Ironworker) foreman.
    I build shit that is used (as in your office buildings) and/or driven on (bridges), on a daily basis). I don't do a single fucking thing you guys
    do in your comfortable/uncomfortable chair at work.

    These days, my best part of work is proving the office folk wrong (that
    means engineers that have been going to school for however many years)

    I can bash script, just as good as i could probably do batch files. THAT
    is not programming.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-q25-this to Accession on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 21:01:11
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    Re: Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:36 pm

    But when it comes to things like writing Windows batch files or *NIX shell
    scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm
    usually trying to automate something and it isn't compiled.

    I can bash script, just as good as i could probably do batch files. THAT is not programming.

    I think that's sort of basically what I said? As I said above, I tend to call that scripting.

    There is a HUGE difference. You programmers can argue all you want. But, look at it at this angle: I'm a legit construction (Ironworker) foreman. I build shit that is used (as in your office buildings) and/or driven on (bridges), on a daily basis). I don't do a single fucking thing you guys do in your comfortable/uncomfortable chair at work.

    What's with the angry tone here?

    Merry Christmas, man..

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@denn@OUTWEST.remove-2jg-this to Lonewolf on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 22:48:45
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    To: Lonewolf
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Lonewolf to Denn on Wed Dec 24 2025 11:27 am

    I agree, both achieve the same result, get the machine to do what you want it to. The only difference really is the speed of execution and whether or not you need to worry about memory management. Today, the syntax between many different languages is so similiar, I can quickly convert code between C/C#/JavaScript with much thought.
    need to worry about memory management. Today's language syntax so similiar, you can easily convert code between C/C#/JavaScript without much effort.

    I have done a lot of HTML coding, that I would say is definatley not programming.



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  • From Denn@denn@OUTWEST.remove-p5y-this to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 24, 2025 23:12:30
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    To: Nightfox
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Wed Dec 24 2025 10:25 am

    I would say both are considered programming.

    Yeah, I feel like both can be considered programming. There have been entire programs written in Python, for instances, which has traditionally been thought of as a scripting language. The lines are definitely blurred. But when it comes to things like writing Windows batch files or *NIX shell scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm usually trying to automate something and it isn't compiled.

    Why Batch feels different

    Batch files are essentially just a list of commands you would normally type into the Command Prompt, saved into a file so you don't have to type them twice.

    When you added variables and logic, you were actually using the fundamental building blocks of computer science:

    Sequence: Doing things in order.

    Selection: Using IF statements to make decisions.

    Iteration: Using FOR loops to repeat tasks.

    Even if it doesn't feel like "programming" because you weren't building a GUI or a mobile app, you were effectively performing systems administration. You were the arcitect of a workflow, which is a massive step up from being a casual user.
    Definatley not high level programming, but could still be considered a form of programming.

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-xj7-this to Nightfox on Thursday, December 25, 2025 09:17:34
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    To: Nightfox
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 21:01:10 -0800, you wrote:

    What's with the angry tone here?

    I don't even know, to be honest. Maybe because I had to work on Christmas Eve. ;)

    Merry Christmas, man..

    Merry Christmas to you too.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@poindexter.fortran@REALITY.remove-dns-this to Denn on Thursday, December 25, 2025 07:35:00
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    To: Denn
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Denn to Lonewolf on Wed Dec 24 2025 10:48 pm


    I have done a lot of HTML coding, that I would say is definatley not programming.

    When people started hand-hacking HTML and referring to it as "coding" (myself included, I proudly sported a "Made with Notepad" badge on my web site) the C programmers I knew would scoffingly state that HTML is a MARKUP LANGUAGE, not CODE.

    I'm trying to think of which party back in the 90s that happened at, but the C programmers I know didn't get invited to parties.

    Scoffingly. If that's not a word, it should be.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@poindexter.fortran@REALITY.remove-dns-this to Denn on Thursday, December 25, 2025 07:37:52
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    To: Denn
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Denn to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 11:12 pm

    Why Batch feels different

    Batch files are essentially just a list of commands you would normally type into the Command Prompt, saved into a file so you don't have to type them twice.

    When you added variables and logic, you were actually using the fundamental building blocks of computer science:

    I'd call batch structured programming, compared to something like EXPECT, which I'd forgotten about. EXPECT was like a scripting language for the command line, looking for output from programs and entering input - you could use it to script a login to a PPP account for example. That feels like the "batch file" description you describe.

    I don't think it had branching, although it might have - but it wasn't procedural.

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  • From phigan@phigan@TACOPRON.remove-rgt-this to Codefenix on Thursday, December 25, 2025 13:46:34
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    To: Codefenix
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Codefenix to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 08:44 am

    Someone once a long time ago explained to me that scripting was not consider "true programming" since there was little to no consideration for lower-leve

    I think long ago there was certainly a distinction, and you could probably notice a difference in results at the time.. but I'd say ever since it became 'coding', the term 'scripting' is obsolete and almost redundant, because it's all just considered programming now.

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  • From phigan@phigan@TACOPRON.remove-rgt-this to Accession on Thursday, December 25, 2025 13:50:26
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    To: Accession
    Re: Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:36 pm

    performing a command, and maybe even doing something else after the fact (NOT PROGRAMMING).

    Like it or not, when you're scripting you're laying out a set of instructions for the computer to perform, in whatever language, and that's pretty much programming (these days).

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  • From Denn@denn@OUTWEST.remove-ils-this to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, December 25, 2025 15:25:35
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    To: poindexter FORTRAN
    Re: pros and cons
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Thu Dec 25 2025 07:37 am

    I'd call batch structured programming, compared to something like EXPECT, which I'd forgotten about. EXPECT was like a scripting language for the command line, looking for output from programs and entering input - you could use it to script a login to a PPP account for example. That feels like the "batch file" description you describe.

    I would definatly say it's low level programming, easy enough for most to understand and do.
    But I would say back in the good ol' DOS days it was very useful.

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  • From Deuce@deuce@BBSDEV.remove-10op-this to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, December 26, 2025 07:22:07
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    To: poindexter FORTRAN
    Re: pros and cons
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Thu Dec 25 2025 07:35 am

    the C programmers I knew would scoffingly state that HTML is a MARKUP LANGUAGE, not CODE.

    "Code" is just how something is expressed. ASCII is a code for example (the C stands for Code).

    But yeah, HTML is not programming, but JS absolutely is, and at least some uses of CSS are.
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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-3oq-this to phigan on Friday, December 26, 2025 07:30:10
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    To: phigan
    Hey phigan!

    On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 13:50:26 -0700, you wrote:

    Like it or not, when you're scripting you're laying out a set of instructions for the computer to perform, in whatever language, and
    that's pretty much programming (these days).

    I don't think I could ever call myself a programmer because I can write a bash script that changes directories a few times and runs already compiled programs, simply because I don't want to do it manually every time. Automation, maybe. Programming, not so much.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From phigan@phigan@TACOPRON.remove-c38-this to Accession on Friday, December 26, 2025 19:56:38
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Accession
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to phigan on Fri Dec 26 2025 07:30 am

    I don't think I could ever call myself a programmer because I can write a ba script that changes directories a few times and runs already compiled progra

    If you were to paint a picture, does that automatically make you a painter or an artist?

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-arp-this to phigan on Saturday, December 27, 2025 07:58:24
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    To: phigan
    Hey Phigan!

    On Fri, Dec 26 2025 20:56:38 -0600, you wrote:

    If you were to paint a picture, does that automatically make you a
    painter or an artist?

    No, and I think that was kind of the whole point I was alluding to in
    this conversation?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From phigan@phigan@TACOPRON.remove-tyz-this to Accession on Saturday, December 27, 2025 11:26:48
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    To: Accession
    Re: Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to phigan on Sat Dec 27 2025 07:58 am

    If you were to paint a picture, does that automatically make you a
    painter or an artist?

    No, and I think that was kind of the whole point I was alluding to in
    this conversation?

    You were saying it's not programming because you wouldn't call yourself a programmer. Just because you write a program doesn't mean you're a programmer much like just because you paint a picture doesn't mean you're an artist/painter.

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  • From Accession@accession@PHARCYDE.remove-2y1-this to phigan on Saturday, December 27, 2025 13:16:30
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    To: phigan
    Hey phigan!

    On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 11:26:48 -0700, you wrote:

    You were saying it's not programming because you wouldn't call yourself
    a programmer. Just because you write a program doesn't mean you're a programmer much like just because you paint a picture doesn't mean
    you're an artist/painter.

    If you're trying to get absolutely technical here, I said that a bash (or batch) script that changes directories a few times and runs already compiled programs, isn't programming.. and in my opinion, can't be ligitimately called a "program," either. So, I never really wrote a program in the first place, in order to call myself a programmer.

    Therefore, your comparison is a wee bit off. Take it how you want, and if you want to compare apples to *broccoli, that's up to you.

    * Yes, I used broccoli instead of oranges to avoid you comparing the two as both being fruit.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From phigan@phigan@TACOPRON.remove-uyf-this to Accession on Sunday, December 28, 2025 00:08:39
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    To: Accession
    Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to phigan on Sat Dec 27 2025 01:16 pm

    * Yes, I used broccoli instead of oranges to avoid you comparing the two as both being fruit.

    A program is a set of instructions and a bash script is a set of instructions. That makes em a bit closer to eachother than apples and broccoli ;),

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  • From Morningstarr@morningstarr@vert.synchro.net.remove-jxv-this to Gamgee on Thursday, January 01, 2026 12:49:14
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    To: Gamgee


    You do not need to write a single line of JS to customize your
    Synchronet BBS. Read that a few more times until you understand it.

    You *CAN* write custom JS to do certain things, or modify existing JS
    (which doesn't usually require much JS knowledge), but you don't *have*
    to. That's the point.

    Now, since you don't intend to run a BBS anyway, why don't you stop your trolling and ..... go away.

    Dude I’m not trolling, that’s not my intention. That was just a rude comment, very immature and disrespectful. I’m not going anywhere, I’m on here for fun and maybe make a few friends.
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  • From Morningstarr@morningstarr@vert.synchro.net.remove-lnt-this to Nightfox on Thursday, January 01, 2026 12:57:01
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    To: Nightfox

    Re: Re: pros and cons
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:36 pm

    I think that's sort of basically what I said? As I said above, I tend to call that scripting.

    What's with the angry tone here?

    I don’t know why bud, but there are some mean, angry, rude people on here. Let’s say someone new to bbsing wants to learn, try it out and get involved. They post a message on here and get ripped to shreds. They’re going to leave. People like that run newcomers off and it’s not cool at all. I have seen it on here way too much.
    Take care of yourself bud, have a good one!
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